Banned Autoblog or website? Usually only two or three reasons…
Saturday, June 13th, 2009I get asked constantly “will this get me banned”? Well I’ve put up about 10 million pages over the course of my “web life” and I do pay attention to things like that. In my experience and anyone else that has written about it – you get banned for three things.
Why do you get banned?
1.) If you are using markoved content (garbage content really) it’s very easy for a human reviewer to spot… and of course googlebot isn’t as smart as you think – but it can probably detect markov content. Use PLR, articles, whatever you can – but use “real” content that’s readable.
2.) Bookmarking the hell out of everything. If your brand new site suddenly appears in 300 bookmark sites. Big red flag. Take your time kids.
3.) To many links to fast to a newer site. This can include excessive “pinging” with your blogs by the way.
Why you don’t get banned?
1.) Posting at the same time everyday.
2) Duplicate content.
3.) Ip ranges.
Let’s talk about a few “black hat” techniques that I’ve had running for a LONG time now – with zero issues.
My autoblogs dump out an insane amount of posts everyday – no problems. Of course this all happens at the same time because I’m running on a cron job. Googlebot would literally have to sit on my site every single day to know that all my posts happen at the same time. Think about the resources it would use constantly recrawling my site. My site would crash before the googlebot — but if the googlebot was doing this to every thing some fabled algorythim considered an autoblog it wouldn’t have the resources either. If your autoblogs are all “item” based rss feeds – well it might get flagged at a human review. Up the ante man – use full length content.
Another thing I’ve read is that Google doesn’t like a lot of pages created fast. Well other than the occasional sandbox I’ve never had a problem creating lot’s of pages or even having sites that create a lot of pages everyday (even with duplicate content) – think about article directories for a minute, or digg, – almost all of it is duplicant content.
The big one that I suppose can get you banned (except for our smart readers who should know better by now) is that the neighborhoods your links are coming from matter. If you have all porn hub links you sure aren’t going to get any trust or rankings. Hopefully you mix in “Good” links with your crappy ones. I suppose this could get you banned – but I never do it so I don’t know.
Small sites aren’t an issue either – I’ve got 5 year old single page blogger blogs out there still – that still rank. I’ve never added anything to them since the initial post.
The bots not omnicient
The google bot isn’t some “god” of the internet – it’s not capable of being any smarter than your average stupid person – (no AI yet). Since the average person reads on a 7th grade level – I would say that your average stupid person really can’t “read”. They may dump all this info in their head – but they don’t understand it.
The google bot doesn’t either. It can notice patterns. It’s main function though as a spider is to crawl links (really that’s what a spider does). If suddenly your brand new site on how to lose weight eating corn chips gets 4000000 links in 5 hours it’s going to be flaged for review, banned, or sandboxed. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist.
Your first few weeks/months of any sites life (that you want to keep) means slow and steady. Not fast and furious on the link building.
How to protect yourself:
Take it slow with link building on any new site. Sure, any decent programmer would be able to really kick some tail on fast links – but since it’s not really what you want or need to stay in the index and be ranked. Use your head and realize that there isn’t some “bot” just dedicated to your websites. You can cover your tracks by thinking about footprints (human review protection), and in general be just fine as long as you aren’t just throwing up nonesense content that’s not readable by a human.
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JOHN RODRIGUEZ says:
June 13th, 2009
3:58 pm
I have not used a Markov Generator for Autoblogging….. but I have been guilty of too many links too fast
Speaking of Autoblogging, will Power up WordPress do for WP what Power up Xsite Pro did for Xsite Pro?
John
admin says:
June 13th, 2009
4:50 pm
Well – yes and no
Depends how you use it. We have a lot more options with WP than with Xsitepro. Powerup WordPress is going to give you a lot more control over what’s going in your blog than I could do with xsitepro.
I’ll be letting in a few beta testers next week.
JOHN RODRIGUEZ says:
June 13th, 2009
11:31 pm
Sounds great. I can’t wait to see what you have come up with. If you need another beta tester, I’d love to let it rip on some new domains I just picked up.
Will Power Up WordPress be added to NSS2 or will it be a stand alone product?
John
admin says:
June 14th, 2009
12:49 am
John,
Yes, don’t know if I’ll open up beta in there or not but I do plan to put it in there. What I don’t want is 40 or 400 people running scripts that have to be totally wiped and started over. I don’t think the beta folks will have to – but that’s why we start that way
Adam says:
June 18th, 2009
6:22 pm
Hi,
I haven’t done much autoblogging but the concept is really interesting to me and something I want to get into, was wondering if you could help me out with a couple questions?
1.) What do you think of using services like article marketing automation to set up autoblogs? You get free, spun content automatically but the downside is you have to link back to the authors so lots of outgoing links.
2.) Generally, how much does an autoblog make daily? I know this is kind of hard to answer but my thinking is 100 autoblogs each making $1 a day, would that be realistic?
Cheers
admin says:
June 18th, 2009
7:12 pm
I hate spun content – plain and simple. So I think poorly of it
It really depends on your selection of keywords on what you make – and how you do it. I’m pretty big on automation of everything I can, but I also don’t like getting anything banned if I can stop that from happening. If making 50 cents per day (or even less) stops me from getting the site banned and earning for years instead of weeks – that’s a good thing.
My autoblogs usually look like YOUR white hat site
Sure I’ll spam links, and milk each page created for links to my other sites, or for ads – but if I can’t pass a human review it doesn’t do me much good in the long run.
Edgar says:
June 19th, 2009
4:26 am
I like the new experimental category. That’s what blackhat is in essence imo. Think about it. Black hat is not a set of rules or a particular strategy but rather it is the ongoing search “outside the box” for creative ways to make money online. So in that regard your experimental idea here is really great.
Black hat seo’s are on the cutting edge of seo by definition. Just rambling here….
I want to say that links from bad neighborhoods are great. They never ever hurt my rankings and haven’t hurt anyone else’s that I’ve spammed them to. So I think that getting links from bad neighborhoods is just fine. Just spend a few days analyzing the top ranking pharma pages and you’ll see that every single one of them has a totally CRAP link profile. No good links ever. Yet Goog ranks these pages in position one every time.
Getting too many links too quickly? I think that has pushed many of my sites into the so called sandbox. That’s when I figured out why black hats use parasite hosting! Just build pages on trusted sites and spam tons of links to them right away. No problem.
In fact I see that lots of guys now are using that xhrumer thing. They create a profile at kaboodle or some other parasite host, run xhrumer on it and a week later they are at position one for “buy viagra”
For those that don’t know xhrumer is some kind of forum spam tool. I don’t use it as it costs like $500 plus a monthly fee! Ouch!!
I like this blog and feel like rambling a little. Hope you don’t mind.
I was digging through some spam the other day and started following this spammer around. He had some good links so I decided to dig a little just to see what I could find. As I followed his links around I decided to leave my links wherever he left his. Consequently I dropped all kinds of crappy links everywhere. Thirty at a time.
I left my list of links at about 150 forums. All totally, totally spammed out. Utter crap. I ranked my parasites in about 2 weeks with those crappy links though. I’m starting to think that crappy links are the best kept secret in seo.
Great blog here friend,
Edgar
Make Money With Adsense says:
June 20th, 2009
9:40 pm
I have to say that I love Edgar’s comments. I’m inclined to think that he’s right on the money. I didn’t even consider bookmarking the hell out of a parasite blog, that’s just great advice right there. Forum links, bookmarking, etc. in volume to an already trusted site! What could be better? Then, when you get rank and PR, a few properly formatted anchor links back to your own web properties. Nice. Me likey.
TomG.
admin says:
June 20th, 2009
10:02 pm
One thing with the crap links to consider – and a “real” penalty in my experience is that when those crap links start disappearing overnight in large numbers I have seen punishment happen.
It is with in the realm of possiblity that if your sites loses 30 percent of it’s links overnight or in a week there is a problem.
That’s why they do it to other web 2.0 sites because it’s not even a blip on the se’s radar since there are millions of links going to say squidoo.
Edgar says:
June 21st, 2009
7:47 am
Yeah, I agree. If your parasite loses a lot of links quickly then on the next update you’ll be knocked off page one. That will happen if you just scrape a list of forums and spam them indiscriminately. But if you are smart in your scraping you stand a chance to keep your links for a while.
Like if you scrape for: vbulletin + viagra + 2007 or something similar you may find spam that has been around for a while. Your links might have a better chance of sticking if you can see that there is old spam on a forum.
But my main point is that if the links stick, and they are pure crap, you can still rank like a champ if you are on a good parasite. The only downside in my experience is that the best ranking parasites rarely allow a js redirect.
Thanks for taking my comment out of the Askimet bin!
Edgar
Make Money With Adsense says:
June 22nd, 2009
1:58 am
Edgar,
At the risk of sounding stupid, are you using js redirects to go from your parasite blog directly to merchant with your affiliate ID? If so, can’t you just use the parasite blogs for link juice to your own web properties? Please let me know if I’m off base with my thinking here.
TomG.
Edgar says:
June 22nd, 2009
5:29 am
Tom,
I usually link my parasites to my money pages and have them redirect to the affiliate. I do that mainly to keep track of the stats and to make it easier to edit my affiliate info if need be.
But if I find a parasite that allows js redirect then I send traffic straight to the affiliate landing page. It’s one less click to the sale.